Aug 15, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04
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#21
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK]
Profession: R/
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Originally Posted by super sinep
I have nothing against touch rangers. It is a good build. The problem is that now when playing in the pvp team arenas i have to play touch ranger or anti-touch and it just gets boring. In truth touch rangers have destroyed pvp play in places.
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Many builds can take down a toucher without being designed to take down a toucher. I kill them all the time in Aspenwood with my assassin and she's not exactly designed to specifically target touchers, though I'm thinking of tweaking my build in general with a bit of anti-stance hate (rigor mortis)
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Aug 15, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18
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#22
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Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: England
Guild: Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by super sinep
I have nothing against touch rangers. It is a good build. The problem is that now when playing in the pvp team arenas i have to play touch ranger or anti-touch and it just gets boring. In truth touch rangers have destroyed pvp play in places.
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Touch Rangers destroyed PvP? Lmao, as if. IWAY destroyed the ranking system. Dual smite/Boreway destroyed TA. Touch Rangers just get Faction, they don't win anything major.
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Aug 15, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37
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#23
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The Greatest
Join Date: Feb 2006
Profession: W/
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Touchers need a nerf? Lol, you make me laugh OP.
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Originally Posted by GuildWiki
Counters
Use anti-spammer strategies, such as Blackout or Diversion.
Even mild energy denial (eg. Malaise or Wither) coupled with Signet of Humility causes a lot of problems for Touch Rangers.
Snare the ranger and run away. Ward Against Foes and other area snares are highly effective against groups of Touch Rangers.
Focused damage and health degeneration. Life stealing is slow and inefficient healing relative to pure healing spells.
If timed properly, Meteor Shower should keep them down long enough for them to be taken down, as they can only heal by touching others.
Crippling Anguish can slow them and cause health degen, two things that the build can't handle.
Water Elementalists can be used to slow down a touch ranger and deal damage before it can reach its target; Deep Freeze is particularly effective.
Vampiric Spirit, if correctly timed, and with a high energy pool, can overwhelm the healing the Touch Ranger gains from their skills. On average, a Blood necromancer with 16 atrributes in Blood Magic can steal approximately twice the health that the Touch Ranger can. Although not commonly enough to kill the Touch Ranger, it is enough to either panic them, or frustrate them enough to break off.
Binding Chains, makes a touch ranger moves 90% slower while you run away. In this case, make sure they do not take damage or Binding Chains will end. Note also that touch-skills do not count as "attacks", so touchers can still use those.
Generally, just try to slow the toucher down with hexes or any ranged crippling attack (see also Pin Down, Crippling Shot for Rangers) and kill them with degen-hexes or damage from a distance. The danger with the Cripple-condition however, is that they can use Plague Touch/Signet/Sending to get rid of it prematurely.
Any fast, repeatable interrupt, such as Spinal Shivers (generally with an IAS buff such as Flurry) or Incendiary Arrows (generally paired with Tiger's Fury.
As this build doesn't deal spike damage, but has extremely high DPS (260 DPS with 4 touch rangers, as compared to a spiker team which generally has over 500 spike damage with 4 members), any monk with high HPS can counter this build.
Hex spells can be effective against touch rangers, since they have no hex removal. Spiteful Spirit can negate much of the health stolen as well as damage nearby foes.
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This build can be countered very, very easily. So, you still sure they need a nerf?
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Aug 16, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13
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#24
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: In The Deep
Profession: R/A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Touch Rangers destroyed PvP? Lmao, as if. IWAY destroyed the ranking system. Dual smite/Boreway destroyed TA. Touch Rangers just get Faction, they don't win anything major.
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Agreed with 100%. It's people who don't have a clue how to stop a touchie, and decide to whine about them here instead of finding a way to stop them that ruin PvP in some places.
Green Farming with a touchie, FTW. They're much better there than in PvP. I made 40k off my touch in 3 days, getting two Fervors from Rajazan. These nerfs would KILL our Green Farming. Touchies are NOT going to be nerfed if Anet is smart and will just let the players sort out a problem with a semi-powerful build rather than step in themselves.
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Aug 16, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56
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#25
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Academy Page
Join Date: Jul 2006
Guild: killerzzzz
Profession: W/Mo
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99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare.
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Aug 16, 2006, 10:25 AM // 10:25
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#26
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Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: England
Guild: Lievs Death Squad [LDS]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoticmadness
99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare.
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Thats because an ele spamming flare (without Mark of Rodgort anyway) is laughable.
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Aug 16, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44
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#27
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Guild: Banished Dragons
Profession: A/
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I played Touchie for the first time yesterday as i was getting bored with pindown + poision + hunters shot and interupting. Wow i didn't get some abuse... Whispers calling me profanities, flooded with omg toucher n00b get a real build and just general assholes who couldn't take getting killed by me...
What made me chuckle... Infact whole thing made me laugh but it also just made me more determined to do it, because the people get so pissed they all focus on you whilst the rest of your team slaughters them and takes all the shrines. Other thing i found is the people who bitch, keep coming back for more! Some Warrior went out his way to find me to try and kill me after calling me a n00b and a cheat.
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Aug 16, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49
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#28
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Moe's Pub
Guild: Pigs Can Fly [Pigs]
Profession: R/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoticmadness
99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare.
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My main char is a ranger, and yes I played a toucher, as I played a thumper or a spiker or a cripshoter or a R/A or a martyr trapper or most of the popular builds and other unusual ones. Then? If you find touchies overpowered maybe you should play one for a while to understand how touching works. I play both a toucher and against touchers. That's not a problem for me.
But I've noticed most of the time, the players using the all chat to say something like "noob toucher" when you kill them are the very same who use blind on you when you attack them, or apply poison on their feiry dragon sword, or whirling defense, or empathy, or backfire, or... anything useless against a touchie, because they don't know how it works.
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Aug 16, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13
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#29
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Perfectly Elocuted
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoticmadness
99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare.
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You could say that 99.9% of the people that are complaining have never played a Touch Ranger, and only think they're overpowered because its the only damn build they can recognize.
But rather than do that lets just let this thread die....
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Aug 16, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14
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#30
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Academy Page
Join Date: Aug 2006
Guild: White Knights
Profession: A/W
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dargon
Many builds can take down a toucher without being designed to take down a toucher. I kill them all the time in Aspenwood with my assassin and she's not exactly designed to specifically target touchers, though I'm thinking of tweaking my build in general with a bit of anti-stance hate (rigor mortis)
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I'm a Rigor Mortis assassin, use it all the time in Aspenwood, I was actually just about to mention it here when I saw your post *lol*
Anyway, this owns just about anything with stances, not just touchers, but it is a toucher killer.
Rigor Mortis, BLS, HoTO, FS, TF, plague touch if they use theirs *lmao*
If they want to touch, you might as well touch them back
Just as a matter of interest, which build did you use kill touchers? And when you kill them, is it usually a face-to-face confrontation or sneak attack?
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Aug 17, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44
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#31
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: In The Deep
Profession: R/A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoticmadness
99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare.
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... OF COURSE most of us have touch rangers that we use, otherwise we wouldn't defend the build. Our touch rangers get us valuable greens, and score us some faction every once in a while, that's because we're actually, wait for it... EXPERIANCED with our touch rangers.
There is NOTHING wrong with us having touch rangers and defending our build, for anything besides green farming, something else is better suited to.
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Aug 17, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45
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#32
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: [SoB]
Profession: R/
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poison arrow + pindown + hunter's shot + savage shot + distracting shot = gg touchies...
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Aug 17, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01
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#33
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Guild: Girl Power [GP]
Profession: Me/Mo
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Stop it! STOP IT!
That horse is DEAD! Quit beating it!
Goddess, what are you some kind of BDSM beastio-necrophiliac?
I'm gonna call PETA.
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